Draft agenda for the 18th Council meeting

Council Meetings 18th Council Meeting
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Dear Council Members,

This is the draft agenda, adopted by the board, for the 18th Council meeting and amended according to the decisions of the 10th Board Meeting

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Draft Agenda

  1. Meeting administration
    a) Opening of the meeting and registration of delegates
    b) Welcoming remarks from the European Pirate Party chair
    c) Election of meeting chairs and minute takers
    d) Approval of the agenda

  2. Organizational issues
    a) Approval of New Members (no applications to this point)

  3. Reports and discharge
    a) 2024 Report on the activities of the Board and its members
    b) 2024 Annual Accounts
    c) Code of Conduct Council Report
    d) Discharge of the 2024 Board

  4. 2025 Budget and Work Plan
    a) Work Plan
    b) Budget

  5. Elections of the European Pirate Party Board
    a) Chair
    b) Vice Chairs
    c) Treasurer
    d) Ordinary Board Members

  6. Elections of the Code of Conduct Council

  7. Other motions
    a) Motion on Israel and Palestine
    a1) “Standing Against the Ongoing Genocide in Palestine by
    the Current Israeli Regime” (submitted by the Greek Pirate Party to the 17th Council meeting, where the discussion got postponed to this meeting ).
    a2) Counter-Motion added by the Board

  8. Closing of the meeting
    a) AOB
    b) Final greetings

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  1. Other motions
    b) “Standing against the promotion of militarism and the threat to global peace”
    c) “Against fortress Europe: climate justice, open borders, and the fight against far-right”
    d) “Justice for the victims of the Tempi train crash: no to obstruction, no to immunity”

(Additional motions for the 18th Council meeting of PPEU by PPGR)

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Other motions can’t be added this close to the meeting, unless all ppeu members are present at the meeting tomorrow, and a majority votes to add them to the agenda.

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Hello @Mab . I’d like you to refer to the corresponding article that states that.

https://wiki.ppeu.net/doku.php?id=ppeu:council:rules

Additionally, from what I see in our rules of procedure, there is no corresponding time restraint.
Art. 1 General
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4. Delegates of voting members are eligible to vote and put forward motions. Board is also eligible to put forward motions. All participants are eligible to put forward procedural motions.
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Art. 4 Agenda

  1. The Board proposes an initial agenda draft.
  2. Each participant may propose changes or additions to the agenda.
  3. Changes to the agenda must be proposed in writing.
  4. The agenda must be approved before the debate starts.

Art. 5 Motions and countermotions

  1. The voting Members and Board members may make motions.
  2. The voting Members and Board members may make countermotions to the motions on the table.
  3. Motions and countermotions must be proposed in writing.
  4. Motions and countermotions are presented, debated and handled within the appropriate agenda item.
  5. Every motion or countermotion must come with a justication.
  6. Every motion or countermotion must have a subject that can be voted yes or no.
  7. Every countermotion has to point out clearly the difference to the orginal motion.
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The reason is here :

Article 14

(8) Save in the cases provided for in Articles 6 and 8 of the Luxembourgish law of 21st April 1928 on non-profit associations (ASBL) and foundations, as amended, the meeting may legitimately consider items not announced on the agenda, provided that all members of the Council are present and/or represented and so agree at the meeting by a simple majority vote of all the voting Ordinary Members.

Your motions will be admissible if and only if all members are present/represented and they agree to their addition by a simple majority vote.

I understand this can feel harsh, but this is aso to give time for discussions and motions to happen and be worked out ahead of the Council Meeting. This way it is less likely the Council Meetings end up being too long and it ensures enough time for review was given to each Council Members to consult with their base.

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I see, but currently we only have a draft agenda proposed by the board. According to our rules of procedure, we can still add motions till we vote over it (to approve it - in the Council Meeting). If there’s a disagreement of the finalized agenda presented, I get it.

“the meeting may legitimately consider items not announced on the agenda”.

Additionally, the counter motion to our motion on the genocide of Palestinians was only posted yesterday and altered the agenda as an “edit” by the person who initially posted it. Is that considered enough time for consulting with the base?

So far, in the history of PPEU, it’s the very first time I personally experience people trying to block political issues via mere procedural observations, and it is quite upsetting and alarming unfortunately, in a coincidence with a period during which people in Greece are really having a weird situation going on (especially in regard to the last motion submitted).

We’re all charged up, losing our sleep over what’s going on these days, with ministers attacking victims over TV and calling for abusive language and “rage” towards them, from their voters, and so on. And then, feeling blocked from the council of our political “family” when we’re trying to - at the very least - add a brief political discussion in our council meeting.

Anyway, we’ll sort this out tomorrow. Take care! Goodnight.

PS: With regard to the matter of motion submissions and good ad-hoc co-operation in the past, you may refer to our 9th Council Meeting (22-23/1/2022)
https://wiki.ppeu.net/doku.php?id=9th_council_meeting_2022

Julian Assange nomination for Nobel Peace Prize as well as our motion for the whistleblowers case, were submitted during the conference. Even fixing typos and re-uploading the correct version.
(Attached you may find the corresponding communication)

ppgr_9th_CM_PPEU_1
ppgr_9th_CM_PPEU_11413Ă—694 111 KB

ppgr_9th_CM_PPEU_2
ppgr_9th_CM_PPEU_21579Ă—614 87.9 KB

ppgr_9th_CM_PPEU_3
ppgr_9th_CM_PPEU_31578Ă—166 28 KB

(We even discussed the modification requests submitted, in the council meeting if I recall correctly.)
https://wiki.ppeu.net/doku.php?id=9th_council_meeting_2022:minutes_day1
https://wiki.ppeu.net/doku.php?id=9th_council_meeting_2022:minutes_day2

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I am sorry you feel blocked and be sure I understand.

“Procedures” might feel blocking but they are the very base of how a group functions and are there to ensure there is a common understanding on how issues should be approached. In turn, this assures you that following the procedures will result in the submitted subjects to be examined.

The counter motion you refer to was a forgotten change which was decided more than a week in advance.

The times are challenging for all of us and are taking a toll on us physically, that is also why the rules prevent automatic late additions to the agenda.

The issues you raise are important, relevant and we would benefit greatly from examining them. I wholeheartedly welcome the activity. Unfortunately they are not the kind of issues which can be resolved in a short discussion in the Council Meeting. One way to rephrase my point is : Council Meetings are more about approval and voting than about deep discussions.

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Well, our disagreement then seems to be mainly ideological, and then logical as well.

First of all, we believe that our Council Meetings should definitely produce political discussions and then lay the groundwork for better co-ordination and “approval and voting”. Because, when the Council Meeting is finished, and people ask “what did you decide in your PPEU Council Meeting?”, it’s sad to just declare “well, we just approved the financial budget, and also, stop killing games”. People’s lives and problems around the EU goes way beyond our party’s finances and the video-game industry.

Then, regarding the latter, it’s sad to see that instead of facilitating such political initiatives within the PPEU framework, we aim to turn into pure procedural meetings. For example the Council and the participating member parties, could decide to extend the meeting for the next weekend, in an effort to discuss more, than shutting it down, after a few votings, rejecting anything else that yields a brief political discussion. (If the case is actually the time constraints)…

Well, nevertheless, it’s up to all of us to decide the course of action in accordance to the matters posted here I guess, during the agenda approval.

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Why do you want to confine political discussions to the selected few delegates at the Council meetings? We have set up this Discourse so that you can initiate such discussions, with any interested pirates, at any time. Please feel free to use it for that purpose.

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Well, the motions are submitted publicly here, so the delegates may at any time make them public to their base for further discussion! :slight_smile:

The core idea of submitting them to the PPEU Council Meeting, is so that the European Pirate Party can also freely adopt them or reject them via voting, transparently, in an effort to also open a political on a European-wide level rather than just national.

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I think you misunderstood me. I suggested, that if you want to discuss something here on Discourse, you should initiate a discussion here.

The way I would go about it is to first start a discussion here, and then, if there seems to be something close to a consensus around an opinion, you can draft and submit a motion based on the outcome of the discussion. Instead of having the motion as a starting point. To me that seems like a more collaborative approach.

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Done. Feel free to reshare.

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AOB additions by PPGR:

  1. We submit the motions to the next Council Meeting of PPEU
  2. We want to make a public call for action for the General Strike and Demonstrations of 28th of February 2025, for the Tempi train crash crime.
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For the 7th points of our agenda:
a) Motion on Israel and Palestine
a1) “Standing Against the Ongoing Genocide in Palestine by
the Current Israeli Regime” (submitted by the Greek Pirate Party to the 17th Council meeting, where the discussion got postponed to this meeting ).
a2) Counter-Motion added by the Board

We propose the following course of action:

  1. Vote over adding:
  1. Vote for the final versions of both motions separately, and have the one with the higher amount of positive votes to be accepted.
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Locations and time for demonstrations of 28th of February 2025 for the Tempi train crash: